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11-28-2008, 02:11 AM
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I’ve learned that you cannot make someone love you.
All you can do is be someone who can be loved. The rest is up to them. I’ve learned that no matter how much I care, some people just don’t care back. And it’s not the end of the world. I’ve learned that it takes years to build up trust, and only seconds to destroy it. I’ve learned that it’s not what you have in your life, but who you have in your life that counts. I’ve learned that you can get by on charm for about fifteen minutes. After that, you’d better know something. I’ve learned that you shouldn’t compare yourself to the best others can do, but to the best you can do. I’ve learned that it’s not what happens to people, It’s what they do about it. I’ve learned that no matter how thin you slice it, there are always two sides. I’ve learned that you should always leave loved ones with loving words. It may be the last time you see them. I’ve learned that you can keep going long after you think you can’t. I’ve learned that heroes are the people who do what has to be done When it needs to be done regardless of the consequences. I’ve learned that there are people who love you dearly, but just don’t know how to show it. I’ve learned that sometimes when I’m angry I have the right to be angry, but that doesn’t five me the right to be cruel. I’ve learned that true friendship continues to grow even over the longest distance. Same goes for true love. I’ve learned that just because someone doesn’t love you the way you want them to doesn’t mean they don’t love you with all they have. I’ve learned that no matter how good a friend is, they’re going to hurt you every once in a while and you must forgive them for that. I’ve learned that it isn’t always enough to be forgiven by others. Sometimes you have to learn to forgive yourself. I’ve learned that no matter how bad your heart is broken, the world doesn’t stop for your grief. I’ve learned that our background and circumstances may have influenced who we are, but we are responsible for who we become. I’ve learned that just because two people argue, it doesn’t mean that they don’t love each other. And just because they don’t argue, it doesn’t mean they do. I’ve learned that sometimes you have to put the individual ahead of their actions. I’ve learned that two people can look at the exact same thing and see something totally different. I’ve learned that no matter the consequences, those who are honest with themselves get farther in life. I’ve learned taht your life can be changed in a matter of hours by people who don’t even know you. I’ve learned that even when you think you have no more to give, when a friend cries out to you, you will find the strength to help. I’ve learned that writing, as well as talking, can ease emotional pains. I’ve learned that the people you care most about in life are taken from you too soon. I’ve learned that it’s hard to determine where to draw the line between being nice and not hurting people’s feelings and standing up for what you believe. I’ve learned to love and be loved. I’ve learned… –Omer B. Washington
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11-29-2008, 04:13 PM
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Some cool poetry news:
My favorite poet Gary Snyder (Gary Snyder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and Beat icon Allen Ginsberg were life long friends, inspiring each other to create some of the best poetry in the 20th century and writing each other hundreds of letters (people did that before text and e-mail  ). That correspondence has been collected and released as a book for the first time, a few days ago. On Dec 3 the reclusive Snyder will making an appearance at a small bookstore in Oakland to read from his and Ginsberg's letters. DIESEL, A Bookstore OAKLAND Cheri and I just happen to be flying into San Francisco that day to visit family and friends. We will be at the reading of course. Anybody else in northern California would do well to come. This is a chance to be in the presence of true genius. ~Papa T
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12-01-2008, 09:11 AM
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12-04-2008, 08:10 AM
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Once Only
almost at the equator almost at the equinox exactly at midnight from a ship the full moon in the center of the sky. Gary Snyder Sappa Creek near Singapore March 1958
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12-04-2008, 11:24 AM
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I've come to the realization that I am not really a "salmon dinner, wine and poetry" kinda guy. I'm more of a "Pizza, beer and the movie Wanted" kinda guy. Angelina Jolie looks like poetry....I think.
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12-04-2008, 01:10 PM
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I think poetry gets a bad rep for two reasons..first, it is associated with emotions which modern man thinks he shouldn't have...makes him weak or even worse...gay! In fact poetry actually often reflects traditional realms of manhood, i.e. war, fighting, loyalty etc. The epic poems of Homer deal with the loneliness, pain and confusion of war. The wonderful tradion of haiku poetry was an integral part of the Samurai warriors' everyday life. Walt Whitman's poems of life, and death on the battlefield during the Civil War can easily be used to describe any military action anytime anywhere. Secondly, poetry ain't easy. It's not the latest Bond film. It requires some work to get the poet's rhythms and symbolism. One has to basically study the poet for a while to see if it is a match, if one has an affinity for what is being said. And the reader has to be willing to learn about life. Poetry is about expanding what you know and feel. But I also agree that poetry is not limited to structured verse. It can be found in painting, movement, sports and even, for some, in the surgically-inhanced second-rate acting of a psychotic home wreaker like Angelina. ~Papa T (currently in The City) P.S. Cheri and I spent the day traveling yesterday and the evening with friends at a reading by seaman, logger, carpenter, scholar, Buddhist, orgy organizer, and Pulitzer Prize winning poet Gary Snyder. Will give a report to all you wine drinkers later, but for now, in a word, unbelievable.
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12-04-2008, 02:38 PM
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It wasnt a personal slam on anyone and it wasnt saying that I was better or worse, it was simply a statement as to where I am at. For the most part I dont really "get" most poetry. If to you that somehow makes me "limited", ignorant or a cave man then I think YOU need to rethink some things. Quote:
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12-04-2008, 02:55 PM
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Cool! Is this like a fight on the poetry thread
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12-04-2008, 03:14 PM
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Sure, poetry can be difficult to understand, but I would agree with T that that is one of its rewards.
If is wasn't, we would not use it to discuss other things beyond measure or description, as Kirby did someone he thinks is beautiful. I've heard sports fans say similar comments about how an athlete's move was "pure poetry." Yet, you never hear anyone say something is "pure football" or "pure prose." I think some readers fear poetry because they remember not understanding it in high school, or due to the very human reaction that we are naturally suspicious of that which makes us feel stupid (at least that's how I feel about math).  What I wish is that more readers would understand is that poetry, both classic and contemporary, can be goofy, heartbreaking, sad, funny, academic, low brow, high brow, sexy, etc...and all of the above at the same time. It is language to the Nth degree: polished and hard or soft and chewy; plain spoken or experimental; loose or tight; rhymed or unrhymed. As different as each new reader, and always changing based on what that reader might bring to it.
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12-04-2008, 03:51 PM
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You went on the poetry thread even though you say you don't like poetry. Why? Why not just skip the thread if you really have nothing to add? Because you wanted to show your balls to the world. You decided to post among the people who enjoy poetry proclaiming that you are to manly, too much of a beer drinking, pizza eating , Angelina loving stud to read poetry. You could have said something like..."I never was able to understand poetry", or "Poetry is something I never learned to care for but would we willing to try", or "What is it you guys like about poetry?' Instead you had to make a self indulgent little joke that "real" men (beer drinking pizza eaters like you) don't read poetry and it's only for those wine drinking salmon eaters. And then you want to act shocked and hurt that anybody might find that kind of post less than welcome. But hey, on an open forum anyone can post, even if it's just someone who needs to deal with doubts about their own sexuality by denigrating the interests of others. Just don't pretend to be surprised when the salmon eating wine drinking queers call you on it. ~Papa T
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12-04-2008, 05:01 PM
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I really dont get you sometimes Tony. Sorry if I offended you....as stated before, my original post wasnt meant in any way to slam anyone. I had tried to read some of what you guys had posted and had the same results I have had pretty much all my life and that is I didnt get it and probably because I didnt get it, it didnt move me in any way. I then went on to attempt to say that its probably because my tastes are a little less complex (using the salmon, wine and poetry example).
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12-04-2008, 05:10 PM
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I got what you meant, Kirby. And I was only trying to respond that there is also beer and pizza poetry. Or salmon and beer. Or wine and pizza. It can be both, all, or none of the above.
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12-04-2008, 05:39 PM
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 Great point! I like this thread, all of the poems aren't to my taste but poetry's like music, there's something for everyone.
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